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A guide containing information on key Speed stats in the Uber metagame

MillionDaggers [Offline]
Date: May 02, 2008 - 09:44

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This is the Uber Speed List, here to make it easier for you to make EVspreads in the new Uber Shoddy Ladder. With the advent of the Scarf inthe metagame, new boosting moves and the introduction of new ubers, thespeed list will certainly need a revamp.

To use this list firstsearch (ctrl+F) for the Pokemon you are training or EVing. Then decidewhich threats you wish to outspeed, going up the list. Finallycalculate your spread.

eg. Hasty (+Speed, -Def) Mewtwo with 252EVs can hit 394 speed. But the next highest is at 384 speed (+SpeedDarkrai). So Hasty Mewtwo can safely run 385 speed (216 EVs) and neverlose any extra matchups.

Boosting: you can find a target speedyou’d like to hit after one x1.5 boost (Dragon Dance or Choice Scarf),and then multiply that target speed by 2/3. Rounding up the result willgive your desired starting speed.

So if you wanted to hit 384 speed (outspeed +Speed max Darkrai) after one Dragon Dance or Choice Scarf boost, use this formula:

384 * 2 / 3

to get 256 speed

So without further ado...

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The Uber Speed List:

102: no speed neutral Wobbuffet

116: no speed neutral Shedinja and Forretress

146: no speed Blissey

158: Careful minimum Speed CB Tyranitar

179: Shedinja's maximum

200: This is the absolute minimum for Chlorophyll/Swift Swim Pokemon; it beats max speed Deoxys-A without a +speed nature.

216: Adamant Groudon and Modest Kyogre, with minimum speed investment. Deoxys-D also sits there.

222:standard Kyogre sets (Calm Minders and Resttalkers with 24 EVs), Choice(non Scarf) Dialga sets will often sit at 223 with 32 Spd EVs.Incidentally Adamant max speed Tyranitar hits 221 (uncommon).

225: Adamant (or neutral) Rayquaza has 225 speed as its minimum. Choiced and mix sets will often sit here.

231: +Speed max speed Chlorophyll Pokemon that need to beat out Salaced Groudon and Jolly Ninjask.

239: max speed of all neutral natured Metagross

250: +Speed/max speed Scizor

266: After a Choice Scarf boost, this reaches Deoxys-A's max speed

269: max speed neutral Heracross

273: Smeargle's max speed

276: max speed neutral Arceus

279: The neutral base 90s (Deoxys-D, Dialga, the weather starters, Giratina and Ho-oh).

289: max speed neutral Rayquaza

303: max speed Adamant Garchomp

307: +Speed max speed Kyogre and Groudon

319: max speed neutral natured Latios and Latias, Lugia and +Speed Rayquaza

328: max speed +Speed Mew, Manaphy and Palkia

340: Neutral max speed Arceus

350: max speed neutral Darkrai and max speed +Speed Latios/Latas

359: Modest Mewtwo's max speed. Choice Scarf max speed/+Speed Metagross hits 358

372: max speed +Speed Dugtrio as well as max speed +Speed nature Arceus.

383: +Speed max speed Weavile

384: +Speed max Darkrai

399: max speed neutral Deoxys-A

404: Choice Scarf Adamant Heracross. It's also the speed of neutral Metagross after one Agility and Swift Swim +Speed Ludicolo

409: +Speed max Smeargle after a Salac boost

418: is neutral Scarf Kyogre, Scarf Groudon and Scarf Dialga, but 419 is the absolute max speed of +Speed Choice Scarf Heatran

433: neutral/max Speed Rayquaza after one DD (or one Scarf boost)

438: +Speed max Deoxys-A (and also Deoxys)

455: Adamant Scarf Garchomp

459: +speed Scarf Kyogre (standard set)

461: This beats Jolly Ninjask, at least until Speed Boost kicks in. Rare.

476: +Speed standard Yanmega after one speed boost

491: The Choice Scarf base 100s with +Speed natures sit here (particularly Palkia)

499: all Jolly Scarf Garchomp

538: all Modest Scarfed Mewtwo

558: max speed neutral Groudon after one Rock Polish.

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Andthat’s pretty much the Uber Speed List. You can help by adding popularsets, more choice scarf sets, boosting numbers (to reach [insertimportant number here], X Pokemon be at [insert Speed Number here] andreceive [insert boost number here]

This guide was written by me, MillionDaggers. Other people who've helped out are:

TPX and his OU speed guide

Cross Dragon and his OU/BL speed list

Smogon's TheMaster42 for this guide (the part which details how to use a speed list)

SNX7 of The Libelldra Forge

as well as my uber guide, here.

PS. I'll add the IV calculator link when it's finished

Enjoy!